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joe3273 · Nov 26, 2007, 03:35 AM // 03:35

Just would like to get your input on this configuration.

This stuff that I want to get:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/w...RCCODE=WEBWISH

And already have this card.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...224&CatId=1839

Would like opions.
Kinda set on this.

Minus the video card it all comes out to under 1000.00 with shipping and tax..
So basically its a way better system than I can buy at Dell, Gateway, or any other company for under $1500.00

Lord Sojar · Nov 26, 2007, 07:09 AM // 07:09

THat video on their site made me want to cut myself...

But beyond that...

First, Tigerdirect is...meh....pricey. newegg is superior in almost all cases.

So, going off what I can tell your budget is roughly, here is my professional recommendation.

Don't build your system until January 2008.

First and foremost, I work in the industry.

Intel's new CPU lineup is coming out (is already out in some cases, but only ultra high end/bleeding edge), which includes the new Hi-K 45nm technology. Stick with Penryn processors. The Hi-K metal gate technology operates under much tighter energy and thermal envelopes, in addition to being able to push clock speeds extremely high, even on passive to mild air cooling solutions. They should also be cheaper then current offerings.

Secondly, nVidia is due to release a new silicon revision on their chipsets, including some much needed improvement in the thermal envelopes (their current weakness) as well as some architechtual fixes that should make for a far more stable and smooth running system (cough... southbridge overhaul anyone?...cough)

Thirdly, technology prices are dropping rapidly, and most of the larger manufacturers and cannibalizing their own lineups because the new fabs are cheaper to produce, and have lower RMA percentages, which makes them money, and saves you time...

So, wait it out; trust me, you CERTAINLY won't regret following my advice.

joe3273 · Nov 26, 2007, 04:23 PM // 16:23

Well it wont be untill after January into Feb. when I have the money to even buy it. So waiting till after the first of the year is no problem.

I was figuring most things will change or no longer become availible or something better and maybe cheaper come along, but that is what I'm kinda looking forward to.

Something that can be upgraded if need be with out alot of hassle.

Ty for the advice.

Any other comments or suggestions would be appreciated....

alexkapi12 · Nov 28, 2007, 03:31 PM // 15:31

i ordered from tigerdirect a video card and got it in a few hours on normal shiping

Quaker · Nov 28, 2007, 08:00 PM // 20:00

Only two minor things I would point out, and they are only minor.

1. Why get an SLI ready motherboard and only 1 video card and only a 600 watt power supply? It could be that the motherboard just happens to be SLI - fair enough, but if you are thinking of perhaps "someday" getting a second card and trying SLI, you'll need a bigger power supply, AND, by the time you get around to it, there will (sure as poop) be better cards out that perform as well as the 2 older cards would (as has already happened).

2. I know some people are "fans" of Intel, and if that's the case, go for it. But overall, you can get more bang-for-your buck by going with an AMD processor and (nForce) motherboard.

Lord Sojar · Nov 28, 2007, 10:38 PM // 22:38

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Only two minor things I would point out, and they are only minor.

1. Why get an SLI ready motherboard and only 1 video card and only a 600 watt power supply? It could be that the motherboard just happens to be SLI - fair enough, but if you are thinking of perhaps "someday" getting a second card and trying SLI, you'll need a bigger power supply, AND, by the time you get around to it, there will (sure as poop) be better cards out that perform as well as the 2 older cards would (as has already happened).

2. I know some people are "fans" of Intel, and if that's the case, go for it. But overall, you can get more bang-for-your buck by going with an AMD processor and (nForce) motherboard.

At #2. While I am a huge AMD fan, I must disagree. Best bang for your buck is Intel atm, hands down. AMD's price cuts are just not enough to compensate for the performance loss. Sorry, but AMD is just...well...terrible to say the least. Poor AMD....

Quaker · Nov 29, 2007, 05:27 PM // 17:27

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

AMD's price cuts are just not enough to compensate for the performance loss. Sorry, but AMD is just...well...terrible to say the least. Poor AMD....

Since you can get an AMD 6000+ (3gig) for the same price as a Core2 2.66gig, I'd say AMD has the bang-for-the-buck lead at the moment (for gaming). Of course, if you are going to spring for more than a 2.66gig, Intel is the current choice.

LuckyStripe · Nov 30, 2007, 05:56 AM // 05:56

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

First, Tigerdirect is...meh....pricey. newegg is superior in almost all cases.

Fail.

When I built my comp, I bought items from both tigger direct and neweeg because of items being cheaper on 1 or the other. both sites are cheap, fast shiping, and tigger wont tax you if you live in california.

bodyboarder · Nov 30, 2007, 07:40 AM // 07:40

you have to rememeber that the E6750 can be overclocked quite a bit up to around 3.6ghz so imo intel atm has it all over AMD for gaming....

Quaker · Nov 30, 2007, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by bodyboarder

you have to rememeber that the E6750 can be overclocked quite a bit up to around 3.6ghz so imo intel atm has it all over AMD for gaming....

If you want to run with a highly unstable system.

LuckyStripe · Nov 30, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

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Originally Posted by Quaker

If you want to run with a highly unstable system.

You dopnt even need to OC that CPU that far your comp will b stable @3.00 or even a little more.

Go with Intel.
Get a good/decent CPU now.
Buy a mobo that supports 1333 FSB and quad-core CPUs.
when the Intel Penryn CPUs come out, your set.

Boren Supremecy · Nov 30, 2007, 08:39 PM // 20:39

i got an almost identical system except i only have 1 gb of RAM same MOBO except mines eVGA i have a 8800 GT 512 mb and i can push about 300 fps on
Windows Vista Home Premium (no overclocking)

joe3273 · Nov 30, 2007, 09:47 PM // 21:47

Thanks guys for the good info.
When I do get my sytem in the next 3-4 months Ill be sure to post here and show exactly what I got.
Again thanks for the opinions, and comments....

Lord Sojar · Dec 01, 2007, 12:03 PM // 12:03

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Originally Posted by Quaker

If you want to run with a highly unstable system.

No system is unstable with the proper components and viable cooling. And I mean NO system, provided your parts are working and fully functional. That overclock is very feasible if you are willing to spend the money to keep it cool and powered at stable and even levels.

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Originally Posted by LuckyStripe

Fail.

When I built my comp, I bought items from both tigger direct and neweeg because of items being cheaper on 1 or the other. both sites are cheap, fast shiping, and tigger wont tax you if you live in california.

And, I certainly don't fail when it comes to PCs or recommendations. It is the one field I can dare say I am expert in.

Dare to compare if you will for a moment:

Tiger Direct (Intel Q9700) http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...?EdpNo=3241539
Newegg (Intel Q9700) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115027

Unless my eyes deceive me, that is a 40 dollar difference. That is a huge chunk of change. If Tiger Direct does beat Newegg it is only by typically 10-15 dollars unless it some Tigerdirect special. Overall, Newegg takes the cake in the parts department. While you may find the opposite on some items, as I said in ALMOST all cases, Newegg is superior. Newegg's customer support is second to none as well.

AHH, almost forgot. Regarding AMD and their lineup. The new Phenom processors are a nice addition, but AMD needs to drop prices on them. Given a month or two, I see this happening as the fab for Phenom is up to 45% cheaper to produce then Athlon (at least by my calculations) Once AMD starts hitting clock speed caps, they might hit Intel where it hurts, the mainstream market. God knows, poor AMD needs something. AMD Spider is a very intuitive product launch, and I really hope it goes over nicely for them. If AMD can stay afloat in 2008, the K11 architechture may be quite advanced (even to the point of another Athlon'esk launch as we say in late 2003) I am certainly rooting for them, considering my past relations. Here's to you AMD. But for now, performance crowns go to Intel, and even mainstream crown. Phenom needs a price cut to be considered competitive, period.

Quaker · Dec 02, 2007, 06:12 PM // 18:12

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Originally Posted by Rahja the Thief

No system is unstable with the proper components and viable cooling. And I mean NO system, provided your parts are working and fully functional. That overclock is very feasible if you are willing to spend the money to keep it cool and powered at stable and even levels.

Lol! NO system? You mean I can overclock to 10gig if I have the proper cooling?

Why not just spend the money on a faster cpu to begin with?

But, seriously folks, unless you are a hobbiest who likes to OC things just for the fun, I suggest you stay away from it. It's sort of true what Rahja says - with the proper cooling and "stable" levels, you can successfully overclock many systems. It usually means getting a more expensive water-cooling system, a more expensive high-end power supply, a more expensive "overclocker friendly" motherboard, etc. But basically, unless you know what you are doing, and are willing to spend sometimes more than a faster cpu would have cost, you will end up with an unstable system. Often, the instability doesn't show up for a few months, so you start to blame other things.

Lord Sojar · Dec 02, 2007, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Quaker

Lol! NO system? You mean I can overclock to 10gig if I have the proper cooling?

Why not just spend the money on a faster cpu to begin with?

But, seriously folks, unless you are a hobbiest who likes to OC things just for the fun, I suggest you stay away from it. It's sort of true what Rahja says - with the proper cooling and "stable" levels, you can successfully overclock many systems. It usually means getting a more expensive water-cooling system, a more expensive high-end power supply, a more expensive "overclocker friendly" motherboard, etc. But basically, unless you know what you are doing, and are willing to spend sometimes more than a faster cpu would have cost, you will end up with an unstable system. Often, the instability doesn't show up for a few months, so you start to blame other things.

In practice, you can overclock a CPU to its silicon gate thresholds. In previous generations, those thresholds were lower because the silicon dioxide on the gate would break down due to massive electron leakage. However, Intel's new Halfnium gate layer technology allows for overclocking to unseen levels. As these chips become more readily available, expect to see a 10GHz or higher chip in an experimental setup, that boots and runs windows. Operating systems actually can't keep pace with processors above 10GHz, they are too fast for the scripting in the OS, thus, they make too many errors (it is more complex then this, but that is layman's terms so everyone understands)

But, for the most part, I agree with Quaker on this issue. However, a simple overclock is possible on most mid level motherboards with a decent powersupply and 3rd party air coolers. A 10% overclock is tiny, and most normal people (with knowledge on how to do it) can easily accomplish this. Even 5% is fine, because your still getting a nice performance boost without actually having to pay more money. 5% Overclocking can be done with stock products normally. There really is no reason to not do minor overclocking. The processors are all created on the same platter, some just test a bit better then others, therefore, their cache is stored with a different multiplier.